Sale of Utah Sports (RSL & Royals)

Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by whatithink, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

  2. FutbolFan

    FutbolFan Active Member

    "Pathway to the pros" just took a hit locally.

    Bummed for the fans in Utah and the AZ Royals will need to come up with a new name.
     
  3. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    RSL is also being sold, will the new ownership group subsidize RSL-AZ for the boys?
     
  4. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Eh.. expansion team in under 3 yrs. Still the best path available and it will take time to move to KC.

    AZ produces more players than UT so I would think that path is still open.
     
  5. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    MLS is looking to find a new owner/ownership group to take over the assets and operations and maintain status quo. RSL is not going anywhere and will not change their youth club infrastructure which has been very successful for them so far.
     
  6. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    How many players has RSL-AZ produced for RSL Utah, i.e. starters on their MLS team or sold on by RSL? I'd discount any of the AZ players before RSL-AZ existed. Assuming AZ is still their "region" then they have feeders from any club in AZ, so why would (a new) ownership subsidize one of the MLS Next teams and not the others - aren't they all part of their AZ youth infrastructure? I know if I were buying RSL, I'd critically look at all existing expenditure and assess where the respective value of existing expenditures.
     
  7. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Utah Royals doesn't existing from 2021. The pathway is open for anyone good enough. I wonder what their new name will be? I'm not sure there is any direct investment in AZ, vs say the MLS where there is a coach or two paid from Utah, afaik.
     
  8. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Being in the middle of a pandemic, gives them more reason to cut costs. Look at all the non-revenue college sports programs being cut. Even Girls DA was axed last year only a few weeks into the pandemic.
     
  9. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    So you're asking if RSL-AZ, which has been existence for less than 2 years, has actually produced starts on RSL's Utah team or sold by RSL? Expectations are a tad aggressive. Last year's 2006 RSL-AZ team produced 4 players for RSL's U15 team in residence this year, the largest contingent from any club. RSL-AZ's U13 team is also been added of the residency academy, validating RSL's focus in Arizona youth.

    RSL's objective with its integration with RSL-AZ is to ensure primary access to Arizona's talent pool.

    Why would new ownership subsidize one of the MLS Next teams and not the others? Because the cost/effort to subsidize and integrate multiple clubs would be far greater than focusing on one. The integration with RSL-AZ already exists and it ensures its place in selecting talent over other MLS clubs. Having an additional club as part of its organization is superfluous.
     
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  10. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I think you missed my point. Rather than subsidizing multiple, why subsidize any? AFAIK there's 2 Utah coaches for RSL-AZ MLS, so I expect that's 6 figures annually. Why spend that vs just sending scouts to showcases or game weekends and/or engaging with all the MLS Next clubs in AZ on talent development. I believe the prior year, for example, Surf SD "provided" the most players for RSL's U-15 residence program - zero dollars invested by RSL in their development.

    I guess we'll see.
     
  11. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    In 2019, RSL-AZ's U15 (05's) team was not DA so it was not expected to produce a lot of players for their residence program. Their 06 and 07 teams were DA.

    Why subsidize any clubs is a valid question. Here are the reasons:

    1) MLS Homegrown Territory Rule. With RSL-AZ, RSL has first rights over other MLS clubs to all the talent in Arizona. RSL's Academy has been one of the best in the MLS and with the other MLS clubs increasing their dollars into their Academies, locking down Arizona's talent pool is a very sound business idea.

    2) Control over youth development. Each MLS club has a particular way of developing its players and RSL is no different. The number of US players who have played in a Development Academy structure and now playing professionally domestically and abroad is growing by leaps and bounds. That starts with the development of the best players, playing with and against the best competition, with good coaching, at a younger age.

    3) Cost. Hiring scouts to travel to showcases or game weekends is not only an inefficient model but also just as costly than working with a local club. First, not too many showcases happening at this time. Second, the coaches at said local club ARE the scouts. What do you think RSL-AZ coaches are doing when their teams are playing against the best competition?
     
  12. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I agree that the homegrown territory rule MLS made up is important to RSL. It would seem to me though, that RSL should step back and form a relationship with each of the MLS Next academies in AZ along the lines of
    1. Full time RSL scout/coach for the AZ market
    2. Relationship building with all clubs, i.e. better to have a pool of 60+ kids per age group that you are directly engaged with
    3. Take sessions with each club age groups at various stages to better view the respective talents
    4. Go to games etc. to view the various teams playing and/or focus in on the critical age groups

    As an aside, the RSL-AZ 05 team from 2019 (ECNL) reached the last 4 nationally. They played in DA tournaments and regularly beat DA teams - won far more than they lost. Various players from that team are in MLS Next programs now locally & at Barca - several were invited to Utah and I believe 1 maybe got accepted. That (ECNL) was the highest level in AZ at the time, so it had the best teams and a proportionate number of the best players.
     
  13. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    Forming a relationship with the other MLS Next clubs in AZ is laudable but unrealistic due to political reasons. PRFC has its own USL club plus its intentions to be an MLS club in the future. Barca Academy's allegiance is with the mothership, FCB. Del Sol already has its alliance with Barca Academy. There can only be one formal relationship.

    I'm not sure if we watched the same RSL-AZ 05 team in 2019. Perhaps you may have been thinking of the RSL-AZ 04 team. I don't think they were even the second-best 05 team in AZ in 2019 (PRFC and Barca Academy's 05 teams being better, IMHO). Having watched the RSL-AZ 05 team in a few competitions against DA teams and in the Man City Cup in 2019, they did not fare well against most of the DA teams and, to put it mildly, got their butts handed to them by LAFC and LA Galaxy in friendlies. They were a good team by AZ standards but a big step below the good DA teams. The 05 team did produce some good players. 1 was not only accepted into the Academy but he was also invited on the Youth National Team .
     
  14. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    They will be in KC for the start of the season in 2021 which is Feb according to the news.


    I bet they just call themselves RSL like the rest of the teams in the club. That is unless they work a deal with another NWSL team...which seems unlikely.
     
  15. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I'm talking about the RSL-AZ 05 team for the 2018-19 season. I think they lost 6 players to Barca, Utah and maybe one to Rising at the end of that season. Crossed wires on that.
     
  16. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    That's the same team I watched. Hard-working, gritty team but were definitely a level below the mid-tier DA teams in LA/SD divisions that season.
     
  17. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    No, we have our wires crossed. For the 2018-19 season 05s were U14. Barca didn't have a U14 team (took some of those players for their 05 team though). They played Rising twice and won by a combined 8-2 or something. They had maybe a 70-80% win ratio in DA tournaments (played 3 or 4 events).

    The following season they dipped as they lost their best players as I mentioned above.
     

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