MLS league

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  1. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    Yes, to clarify, there will be normal costs for U15-19 players in EA and MLS Next. Minimal cost for U13/14 players.
     
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  2. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    Comparing Super League to Youth Soccer is not a great comparison. One has billions of dollars at stake involving large organizations and their livelihood and the other has parents/players with little power to change the landscape.
     
  3. SteveNV73

    SteveNV73 Member

    The original intent of an elite league is long gone. A single elite league made sense with limited admission...true all star teams. All this is now is a perfect sales pitch. The amount of clubs invited to these elite leagues is a joke. How many elite teams are there now at each age group...8+?

    What this has done now is gut APL. Go watch the teams in the semis and finals. It isn't great soccer.

    I am sure there are some exceptions but the top 100 players in each age group are in MLS, ECNL, GA, ECRL, DPL, EA. If your kids have some talent and want to play competitively they have to look to these leagues.

    My favorite part is how each of these clubs constantly change between these "elite" leagues and the comments are the same they just update the league. "We are so excited to be a part of [DA, GA, ECNL, MLS] this is really the best option for pathways, development, exposure...blah blah blah."
     
  4. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I disagree. The 3 big professional sports invest zero basically at youth level, they get their players from college, with a very odd exception from HS.

    The MLS clubs finally buying into the development payments may change things, for a tiny fraction of players. Everything else is the youth sports industry selling "dreams" to parents. This proliferation of "elite" leagues is just nonsense IMV. You just have more parents spending more money. They are marketing platforms to generate revenue for the industry. The coaches know it, the clubs know it, the parents either don't or have pockets deep enough that they don't care.

    If EA was a feeder league for MLS, RSL-AZ would have been fighting to get into the SW division. If RSL-AZ wanted their second team to be challenged to develop their players with the potential to make MLS, then they'd have stayed ECNL (for now), as that competition is clearly stronger. This jump to a new league, without even knowing who all the teams would be, demonstrates (to me at least) what they think of this level / layer in their org, and it has nothing to do with any pathway.
     
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  5. calmdown

    calmdown Member

    And yet it was the FANS that ultimately held the power and managed to userp those multi-million dollar organizations by disagreeing with their concept of a Super League, and instead held true to the main tenets of any sport - competition and entry via sporting merit. Parents have the same power - they don’t have to join. But that’s were FOMO and dreams come into play....which is what the clubs are banking on. Do you seriously think any kid/parent currently on an RSL ECNL team, is in anyway enthused about having their team diluted into 2 teams (North and South), and playing UT, NM and NV teams???
     
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  6. SteveNV73

    SteveNV73 Member

    Super League was doomed by fans who had a voice with nothing to lose, no ability for the organization to retaliate. Do you think the ECNL kids that are now on 2 watered down EA teams in a weaker league have that same voice? I think the comparison of underlying motivations is spot on.
     
  7. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    As far as I can tell, your best bet to make an MLS Next team in the valley is to play with Tuzos, they seem to place more top level players than any other club ;) - Dad coaches, and minimal costs too.

    Good to get official confirmation from RSL.
     
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  8. Funyuns

    Funyuns Member

    I don’t know the exacts but I only mentioned it because the RSL dictator brought it up last night on the Zoom call.
     
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  9. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    LOL, that's funny.

    RSL had ECNL tryouts for the boys a couple of weeks ago too, so they obv. aren't that concerned about sudden switches!

    FWIW, the MLS clubs had already started a two level DA at the olders as they didn't think anyone, with very few exceptions, were worth playing their actual academies. I'd expect that's how MLS Next will go, with MLS academies in their own top tier league and then the rest in the next. They may take some of the best players from the second tier (late developers), but they will probably have evaluated most by about U15, so the professional pathway is pretty much done if you are not at an actual MLS academy by U15, U16 latest.
     
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  10. SoccerDadAZ

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    The Super League participants backed down because of the negative publicity. There's been some talk that they planned for this to get bigger concessions from UEFA in Champions League.

    Comparison is not spot on if players and parents don't have a voice in changing youth soccer from pay to play to free.
     
  11. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    RSL-AZ has a lot more players in their pool who want to play in an "elite" league than available spots. Having an additional team at each group in EA vs. ECNL means an additional 18 spots available per age group. Whether those players are all good enough or if families/players believe in the new league is another question.
     
  12. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    That’s nonsense. Do you really believe that?

    There are 3 MLS and 3 ECNL teams in the valley per age group. So, at 18 per, 108 spots at an “elite” level. But RSL is magnanimously deciding that another 18 of their players, who apparently aren’t good enough, should be catered for - thereby giving a lesser platform to 18 more ... and this is a good thing!

    If anything, that just demonstrates that this is anything but “elite”.
     
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  13. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    What I believe doesn't matter. Whether 54 players in each age group between U15-19 believe enough in RSL's MLS and EA platforms is the question.
     
  14. Funyuns

    Funyuns Member

    Yes, there are kids that wants to play on a higher platform. But from what I saw, the quality isn’t there. Our team had North/South state teams to get players from but those players couldn’t hang. When playing APL, those players shows well but against better CA teams, it really exposes their limitations.
    So now they want to divide the current ECNL talent pool and mix in those kids from State teams to create 2 teams? If you are a State player, seems like a good deal. But for the current ECNL player, basically asking them to rejoin the State team, pay $2700 in fees and fly to Utah to play a league game.
     
  15. SteveNV73

    SteveNV73 Member

    Right, that is why I said underlying motivations. My spot on comment is spot on.
     
  16. SteveNV73

    SteveNV73 Member

    "want to play" - isn't that the problem. Shouldn't they deserve to play on an elite team. Just create another team, move over an APL coach, tell everyone this is the pathway and sell, sell, sell.

    Again, the idea of a truly elite league/team had merit. And now we have a race to just recreate APL level competition in a more expensive, inconvenient format.
     
  17. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Yeah, all that matters is if RSL can sell this to enough parents. Its not about development or putting players in the right environment. Its about whether RSL can sell this to enough parents.

    I found this article interesting - the hydra analogy is spot on.

    The Corona Effect - Exposing The Insanity of "Elite" Leagues (developingthefuture.club)
     
  18. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    Players wanting to play is never the problem. And it's easy to blame the system itself. What people are sometimes reluctant to do is look in the mirror and see the problem. Parents have the final decision to bring their child to the appropriate club/team and it's up to them to make the decision an informed one. Caveat emptor.
     
  19. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    What really matters is parents truly moving their ego out of the equation and thoroughly assess their child's needs and make the appropriate decision for their child.

    Going back to the SuperLeague situation, I actually wanted to see it come to fruition. If it was truly a bad idea then fans would take their money elsewhere and it would fold on its own merit (or lack of). Now we won't see if it actually was a good idea or not.
     
  20. SteveNV73

    SteveNV73 Member

    I think you need some help in reading comprehension, so here goes. You put out the idea of wanting to play on an elite team as justification for adding an elite team. It's not.

    Yes, sometimes the easy blame is deserved. If you have kids that have some skill and want to play competitively, state league is gutted, they now have to play on these top 10 "elite" teams.

    Good job in blaming the parents. Jesus, I can guess what club you work for/run. I love the article that whatithink posted. Clubs don't have to trade on their actual coaching, results, etc., it is now come join our letters as the lazy sales pitch.

    Caveat Emptor. Sure, give me an efficient marketplace.
     
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