League Play

Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by yadayada, Oct 8, 2020.

  1. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    Del Sol beat them 4 0 last year in their first match, never got to play the second game. Beach not in game shape?

    I don't think we are able to make any type of real assessment of any team coming out of CA these days, regardless of league. There are families that are choosing not to travel out of state to play. There are plenty of clubs that are stitching teams together at the last minute to play. Some age groups are more intact than others.

    I don't have any insider knowledge on team make up, just sideline chatter from CA parents.
  2. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Digital5 get your head out of the sand. Legends and Beach are the only quality clubs left in GA and the game was a blow out. How is this competitive soccer?
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  3. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    And this is exactly why RSL/DS wont get back into ECNL, do you think Rising and Arsenal want them back in? Also, outside of this year which is an anomaly do you think So Cal wants to make 2 trips to AZ now? Only way RSL gets in is if they have some sweetheart deal like Surf, and they aren't Surf. All this talk is pre-mature and the same cycle we went through several months ago. I do agree ECNL will add clubs, but I think it will be in areas to flesh out travel issues.
  4. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    Thats not a competitive game at all. But these were the first games Beach has played, meanwhile the AZ GA teams have played what 9 or 10 games, plus all those scrimmages? Beach is out of shape and gassed....
  5. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Oh I think you can.

    Go look at the top ECNL teams and how they played in the showcase last weekend. They were not getting blown out. Most were playing other ECNL teams from divisions that are playing games as well.
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  6. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    I think IF they were to add in Royals and del Sol, ECNL would create 2 divisions like DA used to have for boys. One mainly LA based, and the other SD based. Put 2 AZ teams in one division and the other 2 in the South.

    That would prevent So Cal teams from coming out to AZ 2 times.
  7. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Combined record of del sol and royals vs beach this past weekend. One score still missing.

    del sol/royals went 9-0-2 vs beach.
    GF 32
    GA 7
  8. Brother Maynard

    Brother Maynard Active Member

    This could very well be a possibility, and could work. I just don't see it happening due to Rising and Arsenal sitting in a good spot, why would they invite local competition like this? If kids are unhappy with the GA, where will they look next? You know the answer, so why not block them until you cant anymore.
  9. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Assuming they do have veto power. Does ECNL give a club the veto power over another club even if it is in the best interest of ECNL to add a club?

    For sure Rising and Arsenal are not interested in having more ECNL clubs in the Valley.
  10. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    Head in sand is not good for the hair. But we can continue to argue which league is the better league, it's kinda like politics. The more fun argument for this forum, for this state is which AZ team is better.

    There is no doubt that ECNL right now is the stronger league. Will that move parents? It hasn't yet. Maybe it will. We will have to see. If that happens, there will be unhappy parents in ECNL once the mass migration of Royals and Del Sol players occurs - at least that's the theory. I'm sure coaches will follow right? Or will it happen the other way.
  11. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    You never get mass movement in the middle of the season for to begin with.

    The older teams are less likely to move since they have been together for awhile.

    If you see people unhappy with GA or not interested in GA to start it will become apparent at the younger (entry years) teams. There tends to be change movement in those first 2 years of the letter leagues. Kids don't make it, want to go somewhere else, parents realizing the time/cost commitment, etc.
  12. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I agree with Desert Hound. You won't see mass movement mid-season unless we have a repeat of a couple years ago where a large number of 04 SC Del Sol players jumped to RSL and Rising. You will see a few players at each age group move clubs/leagues in May.
  13. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    ECNL would welcome Del Sol and Royals into the league in a heartbeat. But it's highly doubtful that Erwin will tip the apple cart and push for entry into the ECNL with the MLS' commitment to the GA.
  14. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    This makes the most sense. I suppose in the end, both sides will do what's best for business. Based on the description of how Del Sol departed ECNL, their path back to ECNL may be more difficult.

    Again, this is all predicated on the eventual demise (as predicted by us) of the GA.
  15. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I don't know if you see the demise of GA. The GA clubs that don't get into ECNL will try to keep it going similar to what happened with NPL a couple of years ago. The quality of the competition will continue to decrease moving forward.
  16. Uber

    Uber New Member

    Why would ECNL take back RSL and SCDS when they didn’t take all of the California clubs back. Especially when both didn’t leave on the best of terms. Erwin was trashing ECNL when they got kicked out for going DA.
  17. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    Certainly a dilemma for the GA and one I'm sure they've thought through, region by region. We will see what happens in a year and what is driving parents from league to league.

    Many parents follow coaches and base their decisions on coach and club results, especially as it relates to playing in college. They don't base decisions on the perception of which league has the better top 5 teams. And then again, there are parents that do just that. If the GA isn't placing girls in college next year, then they have a problem. If they are placing girls in college, then they will be fine. They are focused on it and have been selectively staffed to be successful. Now they just have to execute. The class of 2024 will be important to the GA.

    Coaches/colleges really don't care where their players come from.

    The same principled argument could be made for Boys ECNL if MLS sticks. MLS has impacted quality of boys play in the Valley. Or you could say it's provided an opportunity, depends on how you look at it. I suppose having an extra cool team in a club increases $$$
  18. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    See what happens in a year? The most competitive games RSL and Del Sol played this GA season were against each other. Do you really think the competition is going to be much better in spring?

    If you want to play high level D1 college soccer, you better be playing top level competition day in and day out. ECNL is a main path to college but not the only path. Why is the class of 2024 the most important to GA? They are only Freshman. How GA places 2022's and 2023's will be more important.
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  19. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    I think it depends on how tightly coupled GA is with MLS Next. If that alignment continues and gets tighter then GA may supplant ECNL and become the top league. The MLS/NWSL has the resources and the brand recognition. If GA is a red headed step child to MLS then it will likely be second choice for the foreseeable future. That being said its the reverse for the boys. MLS is the best league, does that mean boys ECNL is doomed? Just when ECNL thought the demise of DA would allow them consolidate .....nope
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  20. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    We will be here next year having the same friendly conversation. We will see who has gone where and how it has all worked out.

    No one is disputing the fact that ECNL is the main path to college, they have the most players. Even with the DA, they were the main path. Most girls won't play high level D1 but many will still play. Playing at an elite school within a power 5 conference requires more than "I played in ECNL" as one of your palmares.

    Quickly looking at AZ 2021 commits, some went to power 5 schools, most didn't. All 4 clubs had players represented. From the 22s that have committed, most are going to power five. Not bad for AZ and the 22s aren't done.

    The 22s and 23s are further along in their process. Some 22s have committed and 23s are in the dating stage. For many of them, they will continue to trust who's currently advising them. The 24s (and their parents) will be looking at what happens 1-2 years groups ahead.

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