League Play

Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by yadayada, Oct 8, 2020.

  1. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Just look at the scores and records the various Royals teams are posting. Compare that vs how they did last year. The difference is striking.

    Remember that the most of the top clubs in SW DA either moved to ECNL, one club disbanded altogether, or put their top teams in ecRL. Most of the GA clubs in the SW are made up of clubs who record wise across all age groups were the bottom 6-8 teams in SW DA.

    Comparing records now vs last year backs up that assertion.

    U13
    7 wins and a tie. 21 goals vs 4 against
    U14
    8 wins and a tie. 36 goals vs 7 against
    U15
    5 wins and 4 losses. 21 goals vs 10 against
    U16
    7 wins and 2 ties. 24 goals vs 4 against
    U17
    8 wins and a tie. 39 goals vs 5 against
    U19
    7 wins and 2 losses. 28 goals vs 5 against.

    Totals Across All Ages
    42 wins, 6 losses and 5 ties

    Goals For: 169
    Goals Against: 35

    Last year in the DA
    Take a look at records and goals scored. Compare vs above.

    U14 (this team is 15 this year)
    2-12-3
    GF 18
    GA 45

    U15 (this team is U16 this year)
    4-11-2
    GF 13
    GA 27

    U16 (this team is now U17)
    8-9-0
    GF 40
    GA 33

    U17 (now part of U18/19)
    2-12-3
    GF 13
    GA 51

    U18/19
    14-2-1
    GF 51
    GA 18

    Total Records in DA
    30-46-9
    GF 135
    GA 174
     
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  2. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    Expand the box above for additional data.The Royals are much improved from last year across all age groups. If comparing age groups, the ECNL U17s are much stronger vs the GA. It's unknown what Beach and Legends are going to do. I don't know if that matters to AZ parents, I don't think it does.

    You can make your own conclusions based on the data above. This year is a one off. If I were a Royals parent, I'd be happy with how the season has gone. They had an opportunity to play against PRFC and SCDS and fared well in all games.
     
  3. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Thanks for the data analysis, Desert Hound. Your data confirms what I have heard from GA parents at both AZ clubs.
     
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  4. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Not so much from what I hear.

    Most parents would prefer to play tougher competition vs blowing away who they are playing.

    When the year prior the club record was a losing record, to this year dominating, that tells you the level of competition is not there.

    The Royals didn't suddenly get that much better this year across the age groups. Look I think they have good coaching. As it stands right now they do a good job in college placement as well. Those are big plus marks in the Royals column.

    But the reality is, the SW GA division simply isn't that good. You don't take the bottom DA clubs from the SW last year, and magically turn the SW GA into a strong league.

    The concern is if ECNL offers Beach, Legends, Pats, etc spots into the ECNL. Then that division has problems. Just looking at things as they stand all those clubs would seem to be in a good spot.

    Why is that? They all have boys ECNL. The all have girls ecRl. So they are already part of the "ECNL Family".
     
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  5. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    I bet Tophat wishes they got into ECNL.

    They have 2 teams in GA at each level.

    Lets look at the combined record of their top team through the age groups. Their youngest team has outscored the competition 83-0

    52-5-4
    GF 251
    GA 30
     
  6. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    This will be fun to discuss over the next 18 months or so. It's a matter of opinion whether the Royals have improved that much. I've talked to parents with the opposite view . Everyone has an opinion based on their priorities. I don't have a dog in the fight with the Royals but I do think they are positioned well, better than most of the letter league clubs in the valley.

    The reality is that those with the win/loss/better competition view would be better served if only 1 league existed or less teams in two leagues existed. Better way to consolidate talent and compete against CA teams.
     
  7. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    I would not be surprised if Erwin is doing all he can to get Royals into ECNL. If they make it, I would imagine del Sol gets pulled in to make it a nice round number in the Valley.
     
  8. bugmonster

    bugmonster Member

    Also wouldn't be surprised to see Royals get girls ECNL - they already have boys ECNL. Not sure SCDS would get in too - no pipeline at the younger ages. Having three ECNL teams in the valley would make for a convenient single-weekend trip for CA teams to make once per year.
     
  9. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I doubt SCDS would get ECNL again. LA and ME burned a bridge with the ECNL president a few years back when SCDS left ECNL for DA.
     
  10. Digital5

    Digital5 Active Member

    Oh the world of youth soccer. RSL has tightened up their relationship with the Royals. They have MLS. The GA and the MLS have a vague relationship. Something always happening behind the curtain.

    Once could argue they are trying to exit ECNL and focus on MLS and GA. Of course, if the GA doesn't survive (we keep acting as if they are doomed for failure), then ECNL is a nice landing spot.

    On another note, MLS is making ECNL boys teams seem rather pedestrian. Seems to me stick with where the $$$ could possibly come from. Regardless, COVID will have a lot to say on what happens.
     
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  11. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Covid? New term for me.

    Who is covid? ;)
     
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  12. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    I don't see that. They would have to bail on GA, which I doubt they do. They don't have the talent for ECNL AND GA on the girls side. The DPL teams are doing ok but would be out classed by other top teams.
     
  13. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Yeah I don't think they get ECNL and also keep GA.

    No upside for ECNL on that at all.

    If Royals went ECNL then assume their DPL becomes ecRL
     
  14. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    I think the inference was they would do both.. which is really not feasible. The current DPL teams (2nd team) would go ECNL. Do any of the SoCal clubs do both for girls? I would think ECNL would love it if RSL-AZ defected to their league would be another feather in their cap and make for less trips for the other SW teams. ECNL would pretty much own this market for girls.
     
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  15. Uber

    Uber New Member

    You are assuming ECNL would take RSL back. I don’t believe they will add more AZ teams. If they did get asked back it would only be if they went all in on ECNL like the other clubs. RSL probably has the strongest program but is in a weaker league that is going to continue to lose the best teams to ECNL.
     
  16. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    SC Del Sol posted video from the 05’s vs Beach game on their Instagram page yesterday. It is a great goal by SC Del Sol and it shows the level of play in GA now. Beach is supposed to be one of the top teams in GA. I am not sure the final score of the game but at this point of the game there is no sense of urgency or pressuring of the ball from Beach.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
  17. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I think the existing ECNL clubs vote to add more clubs to the league. When SC Del Sol and Sereno had ECNL, they voted against allowing Blackhawks or Arsenal into ECNL.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
  18. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    I was actually agreeing with your point.
     
  19. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    It was a squeaker.

    SC del Sol barely won 7-0.
     
  20. bugmonster

    bugmonster Member

    Didn't mean to suggest they would do both. I think there are only a few clubs in the entire country that do both, and RSL isn't anywhere near that level. As it is there isn't enough talent in the valley to field four elite girls teams at each age group, let alone five. I'd rather see only three and have them be more competitive with the CA clubs.
     

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