Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by Youtube guy, Mar 30, 2019.
Because they’re the most formative years of ones life.
For those who peak in high school maybe, but I would say that the college years are the most formative years.
Many don’t go to college.
I would also say that for the kids playing DA, most will play college soccer. When you want to remember your younger years I would have to say man playing for the U of whatever was a lot cooler that playing HS at Saguaro, etc.
HS is a time when kids transform into adults. Social changes are immense and kids figure out their identities - which groups the belong to. Sports help with that. That’s why we have HS reunions.
And like I said, many don’t go to college and most do not play soccer in college. HS soccer is a good memory. The don’t live in the past but they remember it.
I agree with college years as being more formative than high school. High schools are nothing but little prisons. Be glad your son or daughter was able to escape after being there for four years.
Man, what kind of high schools are you going to?!?!
I think this latest conversation (high school soccer vs opting out for DA) is a generational thing and extremely subjective. The norm from the previous generation(s)-us- was to play high school sports. This current generation of youngsters have options and depending on how "normal" it becomes to opt out of HS to play DA or continue to train with the club will determine how the debate continues in the future. Subjectively, everyone has their own experience. For some, HS was the time of their lives and wearing the letterman jacket and being part of something bigger at the school (for all the aforementioned reasons you guys have listed) helped develop them as people. For others, the goal of getting out of their hometown to get to university and the shock of the real world is the greater experience. I'd imagine even for others, losing their parents at a young age, having their first child, getting married or any other big life experience could be argued as a more formative time depending on where it happened in the timeline. Everyone is different and nobody is strictly "right". The point is, directly AND indirectly, we influence our kids decisions based on our own experiences, but ultimately, as opportunities present themselves, our kids will create the new "normal".
Poor thing was High School rough on you?
Wow! Were you a bully growing up? Your comments suggest it by attacking me rather than my argument. I can give you examples if you like? Maybe you are not aware of some of the things that go on in public education and you are lashing out through ignorance.
Yeah this is pretty much the response I expected to get. If I knew what your argument was I could formulate a proper response, but all you have done is been extremely negative in regards to the high school experience. Referring them to prisons and the only relief you get is that big escape from it all after 4 years, is that not negative? You don't have a kid in HS do you? Based on all your posts I believe you have a younger player and a boy right? You don't get the draw for Girls, it's different.
All of my kids are in High School and love it. They play HS sports and Love it! More to life than club soccer...
Hmmm, not for sure how to take this and your other comments relating to HS. What I will say is that if you didn't play HS sports or do not have kids that played or will play in HS, this concept could be very difficult to understand and relate to. This is especially true for girls, which I have two daughters...one that did not play HS sports and another one heading into 9th grade this year. My older one significantly struggled through HS (is artsy and does not like sports) and would most likely align to all of your comments relating to HS (BTW, I am not attacking you or saying you struggled, just giving you content/ relatability). While my younger one is a good player (ECNL) and has more of a positive social life than my older one ever did. I would also say all of this applies to JrHS as well, IMO.
I also played Varsity HS sports (Baseball, Soccer, and Tennis) and had a good HS experience.
Many have stated this already, but walking down the halls with your peers knowing you were on a sports team (especially if they are good), is not only a memorable experience, but something that builds confidence and comradery. They can easily take that and apply it to the next journey...whether that is life in general or college.
In addition to the HS affect above, the freedom to play different positions and try different things can really change players. I know of two freshman girls that left an ECNL team, went to opposing DPL teams, played HS Varsity, then came back this year to their old ECNL team and are now 100% better, both in skills and confidence.
They certainly didn't get 200% better playing HS soccer.
I know a lot of girls like it, but the vast majority of the HS teams are not good and as such there is not much good competition even for those few HS teams that do have a decent squad.
I think, as others have said sometimes that lower pressure scenario can bring out ability that was always there but held back by a players confidence. I coach and I see so many players that have far more skill than they even realize and are held back by their own self doubt, my daughter included. I have not reached the HS milestone yet but have seen players after playing MS soccer do the things I was asking of them confidently that they flat out wouldn't try before.
They may not have gotten 200% better but maybe they performed at the club level 200% better than they did before playing HS soccer.
Ha, oops, I meant 100% better. Still may be a stretch, but I think you get my point.
Well said! Totally agree!
I actually don't. Not in terms of getting better. They don't.
If you want to talk about school pride, having fun, being confident because you made varsity, your friends impressed, I am all in.
In terms of improving? Doubtful. Very hit and miss in terms of quality. Most HS teams are to put it mildly terrible. The good ones? Well they are stuck playing the crappy teams. Look at Chap or Desert Mountain and look at their scores. They roll over most of the teams. The kids on Chap or DM for instance? Having a great time. Don't get me wrong. But HS soccer is not where you go to get better.
I know lots of girls that love HS. Few say they improved. More of a social thing...which granted in HS for girls is a BIG THING. And if that is their thing. I am all for it. It has to be fun.
But please you don't go to HS soccer to improve.
I agree but there are exceptions to the rule.
For the vast majority, you will get much better training, skills, competition and personal improvement staying at your club versus HS but that not why most play high school - and at the end of the day, most won't ever play beyond high school so...
There are always exceptions to any rule.
I have been told by multiple college players that played DA and HS soccer that college soccer reflects HS soccer. The skill level from top to bottom of the roster is like high school but it has the competiveness of the DA. There are exceptions of course (Stanford, Virginia, etc.). They mentioned that playing HS was good preparation for the college experience.
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