Discussion in 'Development Academy' started by Sweeper, Jul 22, 2019.
Not every club chooses to apply to the ECNL.
Those clubs who qualify apply, so they can offer their players another high level platform to play at.
Then there's other clubs who chose the DA over ECNL and burned that bridge, therefor have to be a part of this made up league.
There are a number of clubs who qualify to join the ECNL but choose not to do so for various reasons. Yes, the ECNL can offer another platform for their club membership but a club joining another league has its pros and cons. Each club has its own philosophy on how best to develop their players and showcase their players to college/pros.
If a club is trying to stand out and pull in the best players in the Valley, then they better have the MLS option or ECNL. If not, the best players will not tend to go to their club.
The problem/issue right now is that DA clubs don’t know how the MLS is going to structure the new league and if they will be allowed to join. So clubs like RSL and SC DEL SOL are promoting to parents and players in commit letters and on their websites they will be playing in the MLS league in order to retain or even gain players. The MLS has not confirmed any of this, so Parents need to be aware of whats really going on.
It would be highly surprising if RSL-AZ is not part of the new MLS youth league. Their DA Academy Director was employed by Real Salt Lake and RSL will push to include their former DA teams, at the very least, in the new league. I think Del Sol has a decent chance since their younger teams were DA and the MLS league would need at least 2 Phoenix clubs to have an effective regional division in the Southwest.
That’s all speculation, as a parent I want the cold hard facts, not what these clubs hopes are. I’m tired of the bait and switch BS these clubs pull once they have your kid in their club. What I’m saying is parents be vigilant and do your research on what’s really going on so you don’t get fed a bunch of BS disguised with frosting and a cherry on top.
I think one of the biggest things I saw that’s kind of a slap in the face of American coaches is the promotion of Del Sol’s boys coaching staff. On all of their pictures they post a flag of what country they are from. Not one is from America on the boys side. SCDL continues to say they have better coaching because their coaches are foreign. Just terrible. Most of these guys coach here in the states because they aren’t qualified to be a water boy across the pond. I hope parents don’t buy into this just because their coach has an accent. Instead of posting what country they come from, where they can’t get a coaching job, post their credentials. Just saying.
No disagreement on parents staying well-informed and doing their research. What's good for one parent/player may not be good for another. Caveat emptor.
Love it! Well put
Interesting comments. Just wondering if you have any proof of what you are saying. If it's true in regards to the Del Sol coaches, then it needs to be part of the conversation. My experience has always been (east coast experience) that coaches came here because of opportunity, pay, etc., not because they weren't qualified to be water boys "across the pond". More money here than in the UK. A cursory inspection of their website shows that most have some sort of pro experience, some even EPL players with real youtube highlights. Some have DIV I head coaching experience, and all look properly licensed. We wave around our American flags, I certainly don't have a problem with our friends "across the pond" waving theirs. National pride is a good thing.
forgot to mention one of their coaches looks like he has plenty of professional and youth experience south of the border. Not a bad skillset to have in this neck of the woods.
Some non-MLS teams have been notified about them joining this new MLS league. In my opinion, in Arizona, teams joining that league are Phoenix Rising, Barca Academy, RSL-Az, and Sc del sol. That's four teams which I doubt Arizona gets that many in this new up and coming league. Although Sc del sol updated their website having an MLS Elite tab, also hearing Barca has a strong chance of being part of the new league, Phoenix rising well, they are a USL team, which leaves RSL I think they are going under RSL Utahs umbrella.
“Notified”? Isn’t an invite, there has been a couple of conference calls with these teams with MLS. But invites to play in or be members of the ACTUAL LEAGUE MLS ACADEMY TEAMS will play in, has not happened.
One quick look at the youth soccer landscape, a comparison between the U.S., a pay to play nation, and the UK, and it's pretty obvious where the money is. There are good and bad coaches in EVERY club, some American and some not. Due diligence of coaches experience and credentials, word-of-mouth, etc.
Are you insinuating that Del Sol and possibly other clubs are blatantly lying about their possible affiliation? I sure hope not, given the current environment that we are in. The long term financial impacts are still unknown, for clubs and families. I suppose Del Sol was lucky that they were able to execute their tournaments and are likely in decent financial shape, for now. But a club would certainly risk it all by going beyond the normal recruiting shenanigans that ALL clubs do. It's one thing to sell a family on the advantages of their club (call it what you want, but every club does it, it's their business model), but outright lying about an affiliation with an established name brand is foolhardy to say the least. We will see I suppose. Blatant, published lying would sink the ship.
I'm not saying they are lying, just not giving the FACTS. The MLS is in the process of creating and deciding the structure of THEIR LEAGUE, so like I said earlier parents need to be vigilant and do their research on what’s really going on, don’t just take these club directors and coaches word for it. The MLS will announce their plans soon enough, then parents will get the FACTS. For now anything these clubs tell parents, is just what these clubs HOPE happens to SELL their product and sign/retain as many players they can.
I sure hope their is some parallel planning going on. It would be shame for a club to step on it's integrity and publish on their website an affiliation that isn't based in fact. There is a lot on the line for all clubs here in the valley and across the country. The financial strain is real. Demonstration of player retention and a track record of solid recruiting in the face of a new league is a big deal. Let's hope all clubs demonstrate integrity.
Don't be fooled and make sure you ask questions. For starters the MLS teams do not want to mingle with non mls clubs unless they are top tier. Their preference is none at all.
So, they are trying to recreate the DA just for non mls clubs. Look at the current make up at this point on the boys side. The best clubs in Cal South are now in ECNL. The best club in Utah just went ECNL and away from the DPL.
There will be something in place for non MLS clubs but it will be a tier below the ECNL talent level from a club perspective when you look at the dynamics stated above.
Currently a club is not allowed to be in both leagues, its one or the other. So, at some point you would need the Surf, Strikers, Pateadores etc to jump ship from ECNL. They all were sick of playing the MLS teams in the DA and having their best players poached every year.
Also, currently the MLS league is only allowing clubs in with the same age groups they had in the DA before. Clubs are requesting a change to this but currently it's not the case. So, again ask questions and don't just read website badges.
Yes! Parents, ask as many questions as you want, don’t feel like you can’t. If you feel like you can’t ask questions, I suggest you look for a team for your child elsewhere.
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