Return to Play - limited groups starting to practice starting May 16

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by tjinaz, May 14, 2020.

  1. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

  2. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    I agree partly. If you want to play then do so. I agree with that, BUT the stipulations for playing in these phases are absurd, especially for a supposed disease that is no more severe than the seasonal flu. Not to mention the padded numbers associated with COVID-19 when one takes into account the PCR tests that have an 80% false positive rate and anyone who has any comorbidity issues such as stage 4 cancer, but tests positive and goes down on the death certificate as a COVID-19 death. We never did this for any other disease like SARS, Zika, H1N1 Flu, MERS, EBOLA, and I am sure there are others that I get think of at the top of my head for the moment. This is nothing more than an exercise in compliance. A social experiment on whether we accept or resist tyranny.

    Here are some numbers of the most populous states and there mortality rates:
    California - 0.0071%
    Texas - 0.0038%
    New York - 0.0081%

    The Fuaci numbers in case fatality rate is 0.1% according to his piece in the New England Journal of Medicine akin to a bad flu. These numbers are less than that!

    I think it is safe to say that these phases that ASA wants clubs to abide by are an extreme overkill in my opinion.

    On a side note people, take off your masks! They are actually causing more harm than good. They can't stop a supposed virus, you are breathing in more of your waste product in CO2, and you are putting more stress on your immune system making you more susceptible to disease. Why do you think the Surgeon General has doubled down and recommends no one wear a mask. The "prevention" is like trying to extinguish a fire with gasoline.
     
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  3. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Not sure I agree.

    Lets suppose all your numbers are correct. There really is no risk and we are free to resume play.

    These are kids. To go from there is no school/lockdown/masks/sanitize everything/social distancing to immediate "everything is OK!" is a bit jarring. They need time to adjust and to process. I like the phased approach. It is done in increments and gives them time to adjust to yet another new "normal" and in the end we get to where we want to be. It takes a bit of time but after what we have been through it is nothing. It provides a good path and provides for the psychology needed to return to play.
     
  4. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    There really is no risk for anyone under 17.

    Very very little risk for those 50 and under.

    The risk are for those that have serious health issues and are generally over 70-75.

    Go look at CDC stats by age group. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

    CA still doesn't have a death under 17.

    AZ doesn't have any deaths of anyone under 20 due to covid.
    80% of deaths in AZ are 65 +. They don't break the ages down further as they get older unfortunately. But I assume AZ is similar to other states and the numbers get bad at 75+ with health issues.
    Total deaths as of yesterday in AZ is 686
    https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/...se-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

    I am not so sure kids need time to adjust and process. They adapt rather well. I see lots of kids out and about right now.
     
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  5. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    From the CDC website:

    "For children (0-17 years), COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than influenza hospitalization rates at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons."

    Remember that when you hear parents, etc freaking out about the safety of their kids. The CDC stats and the CDC is stating that kids 17 and under have less issues with COVID vs the flu. And as I think back all these years of my life, I do not recall many people being worried about their kids catching the flu.
     
  6. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I think its good that ASA are showing leadership and putting it out there and the main point to me is as you outlined, "If you are uncomfortable or sick don't go", and no players should be impacted if their parents decide that they want to sit it out a little longer.

    That said, I don't understand why there's 4 phases. Once there is physical contact ("limited" - what is that - in phase II), then that's it - you can go from phase II to phase IV very quickly.
     
  7. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Does anyone know how long we stay in each phase? We have been in phase 1 for a week. Who decides when we can move to phase 2?
     
  8. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    Has anyone here actually attended a tryout as of yet? Interested to hear what that looks like. Very thankful that my daughter was changing teams but already had a spot waiting for her as long as she wanted it. I can't imagine trying to find a spot in this madness.
     
  9. 4theluvofthegame

    4theluvofthegame New Member

    Our daughter’s team had tryouts this week. They were invite only and only had half of the returning team at each tryout. They still had to stay in their “boxes” but at least they were out there. Good job ASA and PRFC.
     
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  10. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    I was told that during the most recent ASA conference call that they threatened $500 fines as there were clubs not following guidelines. Makes me wonder who, nearly all of the clubs I have info on have held nothing or followed the protocols...
     
  11. Mot Ozzi

    Mot Ozzi Member

    I can see how a coach could eliminate kids from consideration after watching them handle the ball in a box, but are they really going select any this way? A kid might look the part in that situation, played on a decent team previously, but still have major gaps.
     
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  12. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Coaches watch them handle the ball in a box, running with a ball, run without a ball. Coaches know what team they came from. I think they can figure it out. I personally think coaches like the invite tryouts better than having large numbers of players that you can’t even begin to evaluate everyone in a hour and a half.
     
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  13. SoccerDadAZ

    SoccerDadAZ Active Member

    It's certainly easier to evaluate younger players in this individual grid format with more emphasis on technical skills at those age groups.
     
  14. al66

    al66 Member

    Due to lack of contact and scrimmaging, there's going to be a lot of of kids who get picked up because they can juggle the ball, but lack soccer IQ.
    Other players will get passed up who actually have the game IQ. If your son or daughter is a defender, this is the worse time to show their skills as a defender at tryouts, with no contact or scrimmages. It's a great time for TEKKERZ to make a team right now. In my opinion I would wait to have my kid tryout until we get into a contact phase.
     
  15. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    From what I've heard, they are a far better assessment of the technical ability of the players than any normal tryouts. As they are invite only, the coaches can focus in on the players they have invited and compare them to their existing players directly - benchmarking. Of course, they can't see them play, but as was said above, they know the teams they are coming from and the levels those teams played at. And as they invited them, its likely they have scouted the players already and know whether they can hang or not.

    As for the defenders, they should all have a good technical skill set if they are looking to get on top teams. If they don't they will be found out quickly.
     
  16. al66

    al66 Member

    By theory, you’re right. In my opinion, there’s going to be a lot of questions this upcoming season about why certain players are on teams they have no business being on. I see local kids from all ages at my sons training facility, who are technically amazing. But when I see them play in actual games they’re lost or sitting on the bench. Why? NO GAME IQ, they can have all the moves and tricks but if they don’t know when to use them in a game situation, it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be a very interesting season to say the least.
     
  17. Sweeper

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  19. FutbolFan

    FutbolFan New Member

  20. GKeeper

    GKeeper Member

    That would be great if that is the case.

    I know my DD has practice this week with her team, plus any new potential recruits from tryouts. They are following Phase 1 AZ guidelines, which I believe is close to ECNL Phase 2.
     

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