No High School Soccer

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by yadayada, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. singh

    singh Active Member

    Brandel seconds
  2. singh

    singh Active Member

    Ayes to reconsider


    5-4 to reconsider (now they will talk about it)
  3. singh

    singh Active Member

    williams motions to revote, brandel second

    "Start sports Jan 18 with masks on"
  4. singh

    singh Active Member

    I just realized that the leader of this meeting is named Toni Corona

    Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
  5. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Sweet. Lets virtue signal and have them wear masks.
  6. singh

    singh Active Member

    5-4 to put sports on
    schools have a choice
  7. singh

    singh Active Member

    all students and coaches have to wear a mask during competition etc
  8. no fans unless numbers go down to acceptable levels.
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  9. singh

    singh Active Member

    no fans at this time
    all students coaches officials have to mask up
    each school will complete a monitoring form the day of all games and provide it to the other team
    any school that violates any of the above will love access to AIA officiating
  10. Cali

    Cali Member

    N E W S ---> Special Session today, with a 5-4 vote and a concession (wear mask during play) Winter Sports back on.....
    Note: wearing masks during play, will create new health problems and potential liability issues for AIA and their respective school districts?
  11. Just4Kix

    Just4Kix New Member

    Good for the kids! They now have a chance to play.
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  12. polly

    polly Member

    Create a health problem... no. If the athlete has a severe pulmonary issue that likely pre-dated their use of the mask.

    Summary, (more in the link)

    PHOENIX, (JANUARY 12, 2021) -- After voting 5-4 on January 8 to halt the winter sports season due to the continued presence of Covid-19 and having the nation’s highest rate of coronavirus hospitalizations, the AIA’s Executive Board reconsidered its position based on feedback from its member schools.

    After additional debate and consideration, Executive Board members voted 5-4 to reinstate the winter sports season with the modifications published on Nov. 30, 2020, along with the additional modifications:

    • All students, coaches and officials will be required to wear a cloth mask or gaiter for the entirety of a game/contest.
    • Each school will complete the AIA COVID-19 Athlete/Coach Monitoring Form the day of all games/contests and provide a copy to the opposing school prior to the contest.
    • Up to two parents or legal guardians may attend their student-athlete's home games as allowed by the school and county guidelines.
    • Any school that violates any of the mandatory modifications, including the COVID-19 Return to Play Form, will lose access to AIA officiating.
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  14. Hotspur

    Hotspur New Member

    Masks make breathing difficult during strenuous activity. Many kids already have issues because of the air quality here. This is a feel good decision, and I don’t see it working quite as planned.
  15. singh

    singh Active Member

    I see it as the right call, but to each their own
    My kids isn’t happy about it, but it will let her play
  16. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Kids/teens wearing masks makes no scientific sense.

    They are not at risk (CDC data as of today 599 people NATIONWIDE under the age of 24 have died due to covid).

    We also know they are not spreaders. A number of studies have shown that. Another just came out.

    "A new peer-reviewed study from the American Academy of Pediatrics found that in-school transmission of COVID-19 is "extremely rare."

    In a collaborative study between Duke University and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, researchers discovered that among 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 staff and students, there were no instances of children passing the coronavirus to adults during in-person instruction. Researchers found just 32 cases of either kid-to-kid or adult-to-adult coronavirus transmission over nine weeks."

    I know people are excited their kids get to play bad soccer and wear their HS colors...but they should be able to do it without wearing masks. Follow the data/science.
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  17. singh

    singh Active Member

    I (respectfully) disagree with you, as does the American academy of pediatrics whom you quoted
    and the CDC

    Of course we may all rail against masks etc as that I our right, but the selective research doesn't help.
    As mentioned before in arguments with others. COVID is real, Masks help, and kids can get it. We have more cases then ever at banner desert, and our state is number one in the world.

    I want my kid to play, and so does she. As a physician, I want to decrease risk as much as possible. I don't think ending the season is in the best interest of kids, because the risk is lower, but it is not zero. we should be able to do simple things like mask wearing to lower the risk.
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  18. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    The kids should play on that I fully agree.

    And effectively the risk for young people is NIL.

    The CDC under their current best estimate indicate that for the 0-19 yr old age group the IFR is 0.00003. To put that into numbers, if you had 1 million under 19yr olds catch covid they estimate 30 would not make it.

    The CDC lists stats for past influenza seasons.

    2019-2020 with a 95% UI for the under 17 age group they estimated 5-36 deaths per million
    2018-2019 with a 95%UI for the same age group they estimated 5-48 deaths per million

    And so on.

    So looking at the DATA for this age group there is not a significant difference in risk as it relates to flu vs covid. Neither is a concern.

    So while we disagree...the data is not selective as it relates to people in this age group.

    Of further note. I am not arguing covid and the flu are the same over all age groups. As we get to older age groups covid is far more serious vs the flu.

    AZ has had so far 18 people under the age of 20 pass away due to covid. In terms of hospitalizations this age group comes in at around 2.7% of all hospitalizations in AZ for covid according to state numbers.

    Now my DD isn't going to play HS soccer. She has however played club all year and continues to practice each week with others until everyone returns from HS soccer. The boys I have will be playing HS basketball and per the rules they will have to wear masks. As I watch them play, I know however based on the data it is basically a useless gesture as it relates to protecting them or others.

    First off at their age they are not at risk.

    Secondly prior to mask usage being politicized, the CDC in their policy review section took a look at how effective masks are in stopping the spread of the flu. The looked at a number of studies done over decades. What did they find?

    "In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks."

    "Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."
  19. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Well-Known Member

    Last thing to think about.

    I assume you think the risk is also effectively zero for this age group correct?

    After all your daughter has been playing club soccer since Aug. Without masks as well on the field.

    And up until last week you were good to go with playing HS soccer and without as mask either right?

    If you thought there were some actual risk I am fairly sure you would not have your daughter playing. And you were fine with the no mask usage in club and up till yesterday in HS. Be honest. Did you suddenly feel relieved when they mandated mask usage from a safety standpoint?

    The reality is if there were any actual risk in playing sports at these ages we would not be doing club, hs football, college football, nfl, hs soccer and so on.
  20. Just4Kix

    Just4Kix New Member

    The kids are getting to play. Can't we just enjoy it?
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