Arizona Soccer and Corona Virus

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by self unaware soccer dad, Mar 10, 2020.

  1. Weekendwarrior

    Weekendwarrior New Member

    They just need to cancel the season. You can not expect to start training again a week before State/President Cups begin. I feel if they do go through with it then to them it’s all about the $$$
     
  2. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I heard they are coming up with alternative plans to start State/President’s Cup games later. It would be easy to play the games during the week if it gets pushed out.
     
  3. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Total BS! This is a PLANdemic. What precedents is this going to serve? Are we willing to accept medical martial law every Cold and Flu season from here on out? Just this year the flu has claimed 23,000 lives.

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt Younger
     
  4. singh

    singh New Member

    absolutely not.
    350 in AZ with 5 deaths
    50k in the US with 650 deaths
    Worldwide 18k deaths....in 3 months.
    This is not the flu

    and as a doctor, I can vouch for what my colleagues and I are going through..so kindly inform yourself before you spout nonsense
     
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  5. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Not to take away from the cause but....
    CDC website says there were between 23k and 59k deaths due to Flu from Oct 1 2019 to March 14 2020. So isn't it comparable? I am not a Doctor so I don't understand why this is so much more deadly? How is it different and causing so much more panic worldwide? Is it because it is much less commonly seen? There is no flu vaccine and yet we get that every year and no one worries. Estimates of Flu in 2018-19 day 34k dead worldwide and we don't bat an eye. I guess I don't understand the difference.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2020
  6. frankfarmer

    frankfarmer Member

    This article below does a good job of explaining the differences.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...ronavirus-and-the-flu-are-alike-and-different

    BTW, there is a immunization for influenza (flu vaccine). If more people would get the vaccine, it would save 1,000s of deaths from the flu every year but that is another conversation.

    COVID-19 is ten times deadlier than the flu. Kills ten times more people that get sick. With the flu if 35 million people get it, 35,000 die on average. If 35 million people get COVID-19, estimtes are that 350,000 die.

    COVID-19 is just more dangerous than the flu. It would be like your kid plays in a soccer game and their team plays with one soccer ball when accross the half line and attacking/on offense. Your team would be the " flu team" The other team plays with two soccer balls when they are on offense and on the attack. This is the COVID-19 team. Which team is more dangerous?

    The flu season alone puts a huge strain on the healthcare system. Hospitals now go on "diversion" at times. That means ther are no beds and an ambulance crews with a sick patient will bypass and drive by the hospital to a hospital that might have a bed that is farther away. Adding in COVID-19 could simply overwhelm the ability to treat patients. Right now there isn't enough of anything, COVID-19 testing, masks, gowns, beds, etc. Doctors, nurses, healthcare staff are at increased risk. When they get sick which they do and will, then less people to treat flu, covid-19, heart attacks, bowel blockages, strokes, etc. No beds, no testing, no medicines to treat COVID-19, no ventilators, not enough doctors, nurses, respiratory therapist, etc, BIG PROBLEM. Simply not enough rooms in hospitals and professionals to treat. Where will you go?

    That is why non essential people need to STAY HOME. Quit going through Dutch Brothers drive thru! Can't believe the 1000s of cars that go through DB every day, getting a drink that has been touched by an unknown person(s), maybe infected, that wipes down your drink and cup with a dirty rag. Insane.

    Young people are getting sicker from COVID-19 in the US so far than in China, not sure why. Currently over half, 53% pts are 18-40.

    We haven't even really started testing for COVID-19 here in AZ. The number is going to go crazy. Some people are in a delusional bubble here in AZ.
     
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  7. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Thank you that was very helpful.
     
  8. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    SC Del Sol emailed an announcement today that SC Del Sol will not be participating in State Cup or President’s Cup due to player safety with the virus.

    There are other reasons for SC Del Sol to not participate. The club is financially not stable at this time and unable to make payroll. Some staff have been eliminated or left on their own. There are not enough coaches to coach the State Cup and President’s Cup teams. Reminds me of the old Sereno situation a few years ago.
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2020
  9. frankfarmer

    frankfarmer Member

    HELLO? HELLO? I really don't know why the other clubs haven't done the same or ASA. Every professional soccer league, professional sports league has done the same, MLB, NBA, NHL, Premier League to name a few. NO WAY State Cup will happen when it normally happens or the format it happens. New York is a few weeks ahead of us. Have you seen what is going on? Yesterday was the deadiest day so far in the US. The rates are on a rocket like trajectory. Do you think CA, NY, WA would be playing a soccer tournament right now? To me that letter not only was based in reality but was also a dig at some of the private group training you see players are doing in groups on IG with non club coaches (players you would recognize), sharing the same ball, etc. Not sure how current some of the vids are on IG but my first thought was not necessary. Why do you think newcasters locally and nationally are doing their spot from their basement or rec room?

    I think you are the one that posted that LA wouldn't be at the Florida Showcase for financial reasons, LA was there. Just ask any Utah Royals player or coaches that saw him in the same hotel. The financial demise of Del Sol seems to be your thing. I know that Del Sol had both their money making tournaments this year. I know Sereno didn't have PDT or Desert Classic like Del Sol. I know Sereno never had to deal with a COVID-19 pandemic. But who knows?

    Have you seen unemployment? Have you seen the whole world lose their jobs? Have you seen the jobs report? Unemployment filings were 3, 300, o00. I think every business, that includes soccer clubs, is going to be at risk and needs to adapt and try to prepare for the unkown. As I stated before, soccer as we know it will be alot different going forward in terms of travel, money to pay for it in a severely damaged economy when the next Season starts.
     
  10. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    I agree, youth soccer will look a lot different moving forward for Arizona. I don’t think the DA clubs will be able to subsidize training fees (SC Del Sol) or travel fees (Utah Royals) like they have in the past. Less players will be on scholarships (AZ Arsenal/Phoenix Rising) since the clubs will have less money to give. I think team travel for hotels (most of the larger clubs) will no longer happen for league games or tournaments. I heard tryouts will be different this year as some clubs are looking at doing virtual tryouts.

    Families that have done club soccer in the past will not continue with club soccer moving forward due to cost (loss of income or increased soccer fees) or they do not feel it is worth the risk. Who wants little Jane staying in a hotel room with 3 other players and come back home to give their germs to grandma?
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2020
  11. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    Well there is basically no way ASA can run state cup.

    So the question is...state champ goes to 1st place currently in APL?
    That team then gets desert conference?

    I bet it goes something like that.

    Tryouts? I am guessing most clubs keep their teams intact for next year. Some kids will try to move and some will. But without soccer in April and into May, that may just mean clubs keep what they have going into next year.
     
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  12. frankfarmer

    frankfarmer Member

    Whatever ASA does won't matter much or be legit. KU Jayhawks BB finished a dominant #1 in NCAAM polling and nothing, as it should be. Always upsets, that is why they play the games.

    Tryouts: All the coaches know who the players are. The only thing that would be a question mark is the very young teams but from U12 up probably not alot of surprises. You could have some tryouts in 3-4 months, before the Season. Don't think that any of the coaches wouldn't add another player from another club, they always act like another clubs player is the last cookie on the plate, they grab it whether they are full or not.

    More importantly we need some changes to minimize travel and expenses. DA should play ECNL locally. Get rid of one game on a weekend travel like now, that is ridiculous. Besides the usual age group match ups, also play up with games if the competition is compatible. Examples would be Del Sol DA 05s vs Rising 04s. Great game. Del Sol 03 DA vs AZ Arsenal 01/02s. Great game. Utah Royals 01/02 vs AZ Arsenal 01/02. Great game. Utah Royals 04 vs Rising 03s. Great game. Ditto for Utah Royals 04 vs AZ Arsenal 03.

    So, Utah Royals 04s play Rising 05, 04 , 03, 01/2, Del Sol 03, 05, 01/02, AZ Aresenal 05, 04, 03, 01/02. 11 games right there, no travel, play at Reach or SSC. Want to play them again? 22 games. Before you talk about differences in ages, High School is U15-U19.

    How about the older teams scrimmage UA, ASU, GCU, NAU? Hold out some of the top college players if you need to. The College coaches would appreciate being able to scout. What better way than to see prospects play against their players?

    Have a few 3 game showcase weekends in Vegas, easy drive for Cali and AZ. Miss a Friday of school instead of a whole week. The Southwest is the best division in ECNL and DA. Let's take advantage of it.

    It would be real easy to find 30-35 games without much effort, cost and travel.
     
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  13. Mot Ozzi

    Mot Ozzi Member

    The stay at home order until April 30 virtually assures that State Cup and Presidents cup will get cancelled. Can’t see how the state could ask teams to play in the beginning of May after basically 2 months off. Actually, longer than that for older teams since HS season had just barely ended when the social distancing stuff started.
     
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  14. FutbolFan

    FutbolFan New Member

    The APL champ has always (since APL existed) represented AZ in Desert Conference. We are one of the very few states where the State Cup Champ doesn't get the automatic bid. That decision is per ASA.
     
  15. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    "If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively."

    Written in the New England Journal of Medicine by none other than Tony Fauci himself! We are shutting down society, losing our freedom, and things we love like soccer for a 0.1% case fatality rate? WTF!
    Link provided below:
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2020
  16. Sweeper

    Sweeper Active Member

    Note from the Editor states the article was first was first published on February 28, 2020. At the end of February, no one was worried about COVID-19 in the U.S.
     
  17. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    As of April 6th, the CDC is only able to confirm 1,889 deaths from COVID-19 in the United States and there are ZERO deaths in the state of Arizona based on death certificates received.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
    Citizen journalist are showing empty testing centers and empty hospitals in supposed "war zones" described by the mainstream media in areas like New York and LA.
     
  18. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Sure thing, right on … its a goddamn global conspiracy … like a real life global one. We're doomed.
     
  19. tjinaz

    tjinaz Active Member

    Eh you know.. he may be on to something. NY Times now asking where all the heart attack victims are. Heart issues are the number one killer in US and suddenly there are none to speak of. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/...itals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html. It is paywalled so.. gist is hospitals are eerily quiet except for Corona virus victims. Where are all the "normal" sick people? Not saying its a conspiracy but there may be some issues with how the statistics are being reported.
     
  20. singh

    singh New Member

    I take real issue with someone saying there are no deaths in Arizona based off of death certificate data.
    1. Death certificates are not signed by docs immediately
    2. They may not list COVID as the cause of death, but actually would report “sepsis” “respiratory failure” as the primary cause of death
    3. I know that there have been several deaths in the hospitals I work at, all due to COVID. In fact I know a colleague is about to pass, so please once again, stop spreading misinformation. If you don’t believe this then by all means go sit in the hospital and help out, volunteer to help out. The cdc is reporting more than 12K deaths in the US.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview.html
     

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