Arizona Premier League 2019 and beyond!

Discussion in 'Arizona Scene' started by aginaz, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. polly

    polly Member

    ASA needs to go back to the drawing board to place teams in divisions... a lot of VERY lopsided games, will make for a long season for quite a few. Why didn't relegation/promotion work again?
     
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  2. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    There is no promotion/relegation in advanced leagues only open leagues. Advanced is done by committee based on performance and retention of players from the previous year.
     
  3. polly

    polly Member

    This is a new system. It used to be done by promotion/relegation.
     
  4. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Classic topped SL1 last year and so got promoted. They must have also met the continuity rule for players.

    The problem may be that they lost their best players - IDK.

    They played the state cup winners & APL winners from last year in their first two games … welcome to the majors I guess
     
  5. aginaz

    aginaz Active Member

    :woot:

    If only ASA really cared about continuity....
     
  6. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    Don't know you can blame ASA. Seems all clubs want their teams in advanced leagues whether they deserve it or not. Its the marketing to show the parents they have teams playing in "top" leagues. If the 05 Classic team did not get promoted.. people would claim bias. On the other side some clubs seem to go out of their way to keep their teams in lower leagues and blow everyone out. Look at SASC 07G Cardinals Wright. They should be in APL not ASL2 but not sure they applied.
     
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  7. Tiki-Taka-Freak

    Tiki-Taka-Freak Active Member

    Do away with this political ASL, SL1, SL2 garbage and just have one league.
     
  8. DisneySoccer

    DisneySoccer New Member

    ASA overvalued "automatic qualifiers" this year and devalued resume and roster continuity. There are many teams across the league who are in the wrong flight.
     
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  9. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    That SASC 07G placement is really odd. They were tearing it up last season and you would think at a min. they would have gotten SL1, even if they didn't apply for APL.

    In the Desert Elite tournament on Labor weekend they hammered two APL teams and also beat a SL1 team.
     
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  10. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    They are very very good and have been so for years. I don't think they have lost a league game in 2 years. Don't understand why they don't play in APL.
     
  11. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    Maybe the solution is to get rid of "automatic qualifiers" and make every team justify their ranking. If you look hard at the rankings there also seems to be additional weight on Presidents cup performance. While prestigious it is technically just another tournament and should be treated as such. I also think there is some ODP level lobbying by clubs to make sure they have representation in advanced leagues whether they can justify it or not.
     
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  12. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    The ASA actually "says" participation in an ASA managed league and pres. cup participation are placed above actual results against SL or PL opponents. I can tell you that when you ask the league commissioner how 5 teams got in to SL that your team had a 6-0-0 record with a +19 GD in other competitions got in along side 2 teams that didn't exist last year got in; let alone played in those competitions got in he has no good answers....

    To speak to ODP consideration our team is not in SL or PL yet put 3 girls into the 45 player pool for 2019-20
     
  13. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    Did you ask the sub committee chair for their input too? Any correlation between the sub committee and the clubs that got in ahead of your team :greedy:
     
  14. whatithink

    whatithink Active Member

    I don't know the team but their results suggest they are good. That said, they haven't played any of the top 07G teams in the state in the last 2 years, i.e. Arsenal, Rising or Del Sol. They won't play them either as 2 are now ECNL and the other is playing 06 APL.

    They haven't played the 2 RSL teams below them either. Those two teams played the top teams and some of the top teams in SoCal also, none of which helps their rankings, but all of which helps develop their players, e.g. both of them have just played Surf & Blues to mixed results - both of them are also in the FWRL this weekend.

    https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/AZ/13/Girls/

    They may be "very, very good", but they need to play the top teams to substantiate that. I assume they didn't apply for APL, as they would definitely have gotten in ahead of the FC Tucson team. Hopefully they will challenge themselves in the top tournaments this season and then go into State Cup (not President's).
     
  15. Desert Hound

    Desert Hound Active Member

    ODP is a shell of what it is. The best players do not try out any more.

    DA does not allow it. So there are 2 full teams of girls that cannot. And the vast majority of ECNL and DPL girls don't bother. So essentially you have about 6 full teams of some of the best girls not going because they cannot, are too busy, or just don't care about ODP.

    So it doesn't take much to make the 45 player pool any more.
     
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  16. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    Yea - I don't get the reasoning for the weight of Presidents cup, if you look at the format it literally is "just another tournament" as it spans league boundaries. As you say you can go head to head and beat another team over and over but if they place above you in President's cup they get ranked above you. Only thing i can think of is the money. Its a way to make sure teams pay AYSA and join their tournament or they lose consideration in ranking for the next year.
     
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  17. GKdad

    GKdad Member


    I am fully aware of the quality of players that are there, not speaking from some prideful pedestal. I was speaking only to the point that I don't see the correlation suggested between teams being in SL/PL and players making ODP
     
  18. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    I don't disagree with the point of them getting their money. I do however disagree with the reason for a team to be excluded (as the league commissioner suggested it was) is that you were not in a league last year while 2 teams that did not exist were included.
     
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  19. tjinaz

    tjinaz Member

    That team is a mystery. Granted they don't play the very top 07G teams but they do play other APL and SL1 teams and seem to mop the floor with them. Arsenal's top 07 team does the same thing except instead of going lower they played up in 06. There is clearly a strategy there just don't know what it is.
     
  20. GKdad

    GKdad Member

    We addressed our concerns to both the sub committee chair and the league commissioner. The chairperson replied that he would look into it and never responded again while the league commissioner danced around every point broought to his attention while contradicting himself with the ASA's "reasons."
     
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